mr. mojo risin' 1 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) Unlike Dylan, who arguably left his best song unreleased, it seems clear that Radiohead doesn't sit on anything really great. Virtually ever song that was recorded during OK Computer and then re-recorded at a later date substantially improved. In Rainbows Nude is a million times better than the OKC version. True Love Waits got a lot better. National Anthem and Glass House got better. Honestly, I am a bit surprised that such a great album didn't have more great outtakes. Most of them are outtakes for a reason. The only exception I can think of is Lift. But maybe I missed a few gems in the leak. Edited June 18, 2019 by mr. mojo risin' 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ash 270 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 but even if it hurts to walk... 😿 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Percival 2 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Goddamn Lift tho 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hysterical.useless 181 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I think someone else mentioned this in wake of the leak, but what really shines through all of this is Radiohead's exceptional ability to get arrangements right; to know when to sit on something, or when to change it, or when to discard it; or when to release it. This lies at the heart of their genius. The fact that they've "gotten it right" more often than not over the course of two and a half decades is remarkable. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pleasekeepmoving 42 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, mr. mojo risin' said: Unlike Dylan, who arguably left his best song unreleased, it seems clear that Radiohead doesn't sit on anything really great. Virtually ever song that was recorded during OK Computer and then re-recorded at a later date substantially improved. In Rainbows Nude is a million times better than the OKC version. True Love Waits got a lot better. National Anthem and Glass House got better. Honestly, I am a bit surprised that such a great album didn't have more great outtakes. Most of them are outtakes for a reason. The only exception I can think of is Lift. But maybe I missed a few gems in the leak. What Dylan song is this? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forward 120 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 What is the best Bob Dylan song then? That sort of lore interests me. Ultimately this is a small sample size. They have nine albums and OK Computer is the one you can track from first live performances to final one, and see a band's approach to their songs and ultimate drag from them. The recorded material ended up great – just the choice of instrumentation, turning off an electric guitar in Karma Police or giving something else more space, the last minute addition of the main guitar line in Airbag... ...to me it just points toward the argument that for all great art, there's a great set of coincidences. Things can just perfectly align and it's more than 10 creatives in a room, of which their combined ideas are better together, at the perfect meld of youth and ideas and age and ability. If you read up on your favourite films or TV series, it's amazing how many off-the-cuff decisions alter them. Some stage hand deciding to paint something a different colour, an actor being sick one day, a camera not working in the right way are all little incidental moments that can make something good. It's unintended but it creates something iconic or adds to the texture. Yeah the great source material was there. They worked hard on some smart ideas. The thinking was open minded. And there was a fair amount of material. But ultimately they got the absolute best out of what they had and that's why the end product is a rarified, genuine great album. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DokiDokiJeff 30 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Lift is a major downfall in their judgement, and also the fact that the version released on OKNOTOK isn't the version on Disc 15 or Disc 16. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zane 237 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 my haaaaiirrrr isslaaaanddd! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
original wombat 5 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Tomorrow Night in Paris is the only one of the 'new' songs that sounded promising to me. I like the versions of Lift on 15/16 and though they could have put it out as a standalone single later on OK Computer wouldn't have been a better album with Lift included Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fabri 147 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I fucking a hate you peoples. No fan here? Who the fucking hell are tyou to say this early version is good or this one is bad? Get your shit togheter! Give radiohead sone air to breath. This is bad, this good, i think i'm god, come on 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
original wombat 5 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 hours ago, pleasekeepmoving said: What Dylan song is this? Might be Blind Willie McTell. Though that did eventually come out on the Bootleg series (official releases) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olaf 75 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I always had faith. And I've always read the release of Flat!Lift as a form of self-hatred from the band regarding this particular song. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Weird Fisherman 2 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I think the b sides they’ve released over the years show this. The OKC anniversary release highlighted this more for me than the mini discs. Of the three “new” songs, only Man Of War was up to their unbelievably high standards. Lift isn’t very good and I Promise is worse. They have consistently shown that they know when a song isn’t good enough or simply doesn’t fit with an album. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
no452 31 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Except the final 97 mix of Lift is excellent and they ruined Big Boots in the studio. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
appearcomposed 188 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 13 hours ago, mr. mojo risin' said: Unlike Dylan, who arguably left his best song unreleased hmm. if i remember correctly, "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" was released as the closing track to Bringing It All Back Home in 1965. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chernobyl2 177 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, appearcomposed said: hmm. if i remember correctly, "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" was released as the closing track to Bringing It All Back Home in 1965. This is the correct opinion regarding the best Bob Dylan song, I can confirm. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr. mojo risin' 1 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 9 hours ago, original wombat said: Might be Blind Willie McTell. Though that did eventually come out on the Bootleg series (official releases) Correct. I'm not necessarily saying it's my favorite, but many critics agree it is among his best tracks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
appearcomposed 188 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 there's an electric version of blind willie on some infidels sessions bootleg that's really great, i think i like it more than the BS 1-3 release. i just finished listening to all 14 discs of the RTR box today. just great great stuff. and now we're hearing that the next bootleg series will release this year and it's going to cover JWH and Nashville Skyline. i'm definitely a lot more excited for the JWH outtakes, but man... great time to be a fan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hysterical.useless 181 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Fuck Dylan. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
appearcomposed 188 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, hysterical.useless said: Fuck Dylan. fuck you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skehan 38 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 16 hours ago, mr. mojo risin' said: Unlike Dylan, who arguably left his best song unreleased, it seems clear that Radiohead doesn't sit on anything really great. Virtually ever song that was recorded during OK Computer and then re-recorded at a later date substantially improved. In Rainbows Nude is a million times better than the OKC version. True Love Waits got a lot better. National Anthem and Glass House got better. Honestly, I am a bit surprised that such a great album didn't have more great outtakes. Most of them are outtakes for a reason. The only exception I can think of is Lift. But maybe I missed a few gems in the leak. Keep in mind that this was only a small snippet, relatively, of all the OKC sessions. We have no idea what else they were working on during that time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CHAZ934 16 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 95/96 TLW, Disc 15 Lift, 06 Videotape, 09 TPT they ruin songs all the time honorable mention: leaving Cuttooth off Amnesiac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CHAZ934 16 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 10 hours ago, Weird Fisherman said: I think the b sides they’ve released over the years show this. The OKC anniversary release highlighted this more for me than the mini discs. Of the three “new” songs, only Man Of War was up to their unbelievably high standards. Lift isn’t very good and I Promise is worse. They have consistently shown that they know when a song isn’t good enough or simply doesn’t fit with an album. is this a joke? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
appearcomposed 188 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 this is now a bob dylan thread because he's a better songwriter than thom yorke 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
omensetter 91 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 the most confusing thing about their editorial process is that, in spite of how critical and careful they clearly were, they still allowed Electioneering onto the album 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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