forward Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) ...is 17. I like this album because it's one of those records every really good band needs – everyone knows it isn't their best, but it has both their absolute worst and finest material on it. And more interestingly, it has plenty of those middle songs. Plenty on tracks on this thing that some hate and some really like. It reminds me a little bit of Blur's Think Tank or Terror Twilight by Pavement. They're not essential albums, but there's a real unique character to them. Anyway, probably the best thing about this whole time was the live shows. Glastonbury 2003 is pretty well revered both in the band's history and Glasto lore. But people also talk up both nights at Earl's Court as their best shows ever. It also seems the first time they really performed in the sort of places they only play in now – AT$T Kamikaze MediaRadio Pavilion at OC Bitch Park in the US, big parks and not piazzas in Italy, arenas in Australia and smaller cities in the UK. Thom and Jonny also got a bit more into the radio session around here and there's a few nice, but not mandatory, recordings of those around, but more importantly they seemed to open the way for stuff like Latitude 2009. They also played a leg of UK shows a month-odd before the album... does anyone know when these were announced? Were they basically teaser runs? Edited June 9, 2020 by forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booger bear Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 At the time it was released it was a let down however I really enjoy it now and I'm glad they have this kind of album in their discography. It would be a really solid album if they removed Sit Down Stand Up, We Suck Young Blood and Punch Up at a Wedding. It could have been recorded better too. Too bad they rushed it. Could have been up their in the holy trinity (though I consider ASMP as a classic album with KA, OKC and IR). I need to bring this puppy out again and give it a spin. The vinyl sounds better imo. I have it and can dropbox it if anyone is interested. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forward Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 Yeah the mixing and mastering on this is pretty flat and there are indeed parts where it clips (ie distorts at loud parts). But the older I get the more critical I am of Nigel and his cronies – Amnesiac can sound pretty shit compared to the how choral and sound-specific Kid A, A Moon Shaped Pool was neutered and overblown at the same time and has some lifeless mixing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forward Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) This thing has some really nice b-sides though and maybe their most experimental? I think it's pretty naff and the steely guitar or whatever the fuck on it is fucking shocking, but at least they tried I Am A Wicked Child. Paperbag Writer is interesting. I Am Citizen Insane is just really lovely. Does Fog (Again) count? Edited June 9, 2020 by forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkGrace Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 We Suck Young Blood is the only song I skip on any Radiohead album. It's such drag after the momentum of Where I End and You Begin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-|- Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 7 hours ago, forward said: This thing has some really nice b-sides though and maybe their most experimental? I think it's pretty naff and the steely guitar or whatever the fuck on it is fucking shocking, but at least they tried I Am A Wicked Child. Paperbag Writer is interesting. I Am Citizen Insane is just really lovely. Does Fog (Again) count? don't forget gagging order! or is that the steely guitar or whatever thing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkGrace Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Gagging Order 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusMakka Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 The Gloaming! 🤢 Right up there with Fasttrack as their worst ever released. And We Suck Young Blood is pushing it. Otherwise I like the rest of the album. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisha Beacon Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) On 6/9/2020 at 4:55 AM, forward said: They also played a leg of UK shows a month-odd before the album... does anyone know when these were announced? Were they basically teaser runs? The album was announced on 24th march 2003 https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/71855/radiohead-says-hail-to-the-thief The tour was announced before that, maybe 7-10 days before? So comparable with the first shows of 2016 in that we had a tour announcement, then an album announcement. Different because the album itself was not released for a few weeks though we had the rough mix and final mix leaks by the week of the May tour. I moved home from university for Easter the weekend that the tour was announced and missed it. They were playing Shepherd's Bush Empire and I missed it. I probably cried. I was so determined to make up for this I visited Atease day and night for the next 2 months until I got tickets. At the risk of sounding cheesy I would probably never have had such a long lasting interest in this board, and indeed with Radiohead, without that stressful experience. Anyway I got to go to the Manchester show - a very kind man who I never see around here anymore got 4 tickets in a resale and sold me and another boarder 1 ticket each and drove me from Oxford to Manchester and back for the show. Also bagged the first night of Shepherd's Bush (secured 24 hours before - some "returns" from eBay scoundrels that had their tickets cancelled, possibly). Ed said to MTV that they wanted to kick off tour playing some small shows playing to more of a partisan atmosphere. I remember the excitement of them playing Kid A and Subterranean Homesick Alien as unexpected oldies at the earlier shows. This was in the days when "POST TONIGHT'S SETLIST HERE" meant waiting until midnight for someone to get home and post their reactions. MTV showed an hour of Shepherd's bush night 2 though it was a really odd setup for a pro-shot - lots of fixed cameras and weird angles and people being filmed with their heads cut off IIRC. Shepherd's Bush night 1 wasn't for TV and didn't have any big surprises in its setlist, though the $2 bill show in the US had an almost identical setlist so you could say it was a warm up for that. That's probably enough waffle for now. 17 years, jeeez! Edited June 10, 2020 by Belisha Beacon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkGrace Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 9 hours ago, AusMakka said: The Gloaming! 🤢 Right up there with Fasttrack as their worst ever released. And We Suck Young Blood is pushing it. Otherwise I like the rest of the album. Too bad they didn't find that live bassline sooner. Adds so much to the song. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzyste Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, Belisha Beacon said: The album was announced on 24th march 2003 https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/71855/radiohead-says-hail-to-the-thief The tour was announced before that, maybe 7-10 days before? So comparable with the first shows of 2016 in that we had a tour announcement, then an album announcement. Different because the album itself was not released for a few weeks though we had the rough mix and final mix leaks by the week of the May tour. I moved home from university for Easter the weekend that the tour was announced and missed it. They were playing Shepherd's Bush Empire and I missed it. I probably cried. I was so determined to make up for this I visited Atease day and night for the next 2 months until I got tickets. At the risk of sounding cheesy I would probably never have had such a long lasting interest in this board, and indeed with Radiohead, without that stressful experience. Anyway I got to go to the Manchester show - a very kind man who I never see around here anymore got 4 tickets in a resale and sold me and another boarder 1 ticket each and drove me from Oxford to Manchester and back for the show. Also bagged the first night of Shepherd's Bush (secured 24 hours before - some "returns" from eBay scoundrels that had their tickets cancelled, possibly). Ed said to MTV that they wanted to kick off tour playing some small shows playing to more of a partisan atmosphere. I remember the excitement of them playing Kid A and Subterranean Homesick Alien as unexpected oldies at the earlier shows. This was in the days when "POST TONIGHT'S SETLIST HERE" meant waiting until midnight for someone to get home and post their reactions. MTV showed an hour of Shepherd's bush night 2 though it was a really odd setup for a pro-shot - lots of fixed cameras and weird angles and people being filmed with their heads cut off IIRC. Shepherd's Bush night 1 wasn't for TV and didn't have any big surprises in its setlist, though the $2 bill show in the US had an almost identical setlist so you could say it was a warm up for that. That's probably enough waffle for now. 17 years, jeeez! I went to the Manchester and both Shepards bush shows. I was front row for all of them and Im on that MTV show a few times. I remember the Manchester show Thom looked pretty weirded out that we all knew the lyrics to the songs as the album had leaked at that point especially the 'all hail to the thief all hail to the thief' part of 2+2. I was 17 at the time, somehow convinced my parents to let me go to London and stay with loads of people I'd met on the internet...different times. I remember Bjork played the day after the second Radiohead show and a few of us stood outside the venue to try and hear her. They were good times man, I was just a kid at the time who grew up in a northern suburb and had no real adult experience and I remember being terrified of London as it was my first time there, also remember how expensive everything was and I chose not to eat towards the end as I couldn't afford anything. What's funny now is that I actually cant stand HTTT and think it's their worst album. Definitely a product of it's time. Edited June 11, 2020 by Fuzzyste 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba booey Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 2003 music good i always liked iT And loved when people complained about the length(then we got a 36 minute album in 2011 great job guys) like bitch just delete the songs who gives a fuck about the artists intention i miss when thom could sing n dressed normal Edited June 11, 2020 by baba booey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forward Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 More nice stories about going to peak-era Radiohead gigs, cheers boyos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KromKrilkroff Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Even though I dislike around half of the album (Sit Down, Stand Up, The Gloaming, I Will, Punchup, Myxomatosis, Scatterbrain), I still think of it as the last of their 'untouchable' phase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booger bear Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I'm starting to think evil things about you. Like what kind of ice cream you might like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Jesus Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Myxomatosis rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booger bear Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) Yeah but what is your favorite ice cream and why isn't it mint chocolate chip? Or peppermint ice cream. I make a mean pep ice cream. Hand scratch too. Vanilla with mixed pep candies. My daughters love it. When I was young there was a place that sold actual bubble gum in the bubble gum ice cream. What kind of sick troll wants to make kids constipated? You guys want to know something really naughty? I dump soft batch cookies and milk until they become a chocolate chip milkshake. Happy fourth to my fellow Yankees btw. Now's your chance to shoot each other with Roman Candles. Edited July 4, 2020 by booger bear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robjonas Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 My best memory of that era was making the choice to buy a ticket to Spain and 3 tickets to the 3 shows in Salamanca 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatterbrain Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 7/5/2020 at 9:36 AM, Robjonas said: My best memory of that era was making the choice to buy a ticket to Spain and 3 tickets to the 3 shows in Salamanca Ugh. Jealous of this. Have any pics you can share or stories? I want to live vicariously through your memories... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 ^yeah That! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitchd Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 4:55 AM, forward said: Conventional wisdom /facts may suggest otherwise but I always felt this album is a bit undercooked: they freaked at the leaks and hurried a release Indeed, it's a few songs flabby. I wouldn't waste em, I'd bside em. It's like Amnesiac having Fast Track. Nobody is clamouring for that. Indeed, remains the only album Thom has issued a differs t tracklist for. ... Funny he jettisoned I Will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goudvis Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) On 10/10/2020 at 4:56 PM, Glitchd said: Indeed, remains the only album Thom has issued a differs t tracklist for. I feel like people (not saying you Glitchd) generally put too much value to this "alternative tracklist". What happened is, Thom saw a tracklist somewhere (official message board or waste central, if I remember correctly) and quoted it along with a comment like "hmm", insinuating that he likes it. He did not make an announcement like "Hey look everyone, this is the alternative tracklist I made". Edited October 25, 2020 by Goudvis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goudvis Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Apart from that, this album has a special place for me. Not their best, but because of nostalgia. June 2003, was 14 years old, did not know much of music, and was allowed to go for the first time to the Rock Werchter festival 1 mile from my home. Only 3 bands played the first day: Björk, Radiohead and Underworld. The organisers added a fourth day to the festival on Thursday (normally only Fri-Sun), just so that they could have Radiohead in the line-up. Did not know anything of them but liked it and bought the album the week after and kept listening on repeat. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitchd Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 10:15 PM, Goudvis said: I feel like people (not saying you Glitchd) generally put too much value to this "alternative tracklist". What happened is, Thom saw a tracklist somewhere (official message board or waste central, if I remember correctly) and quoted it along with a comment like "hmm", insinuating that he likes it. He did not make an announcement like "Hey look everyone, this is the alternative tracklist I made". Oh that's all that happened? I saw it mentioned once I think on Reddit as literally "Thom's" That changes it for me. Screw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goudvis Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Glitchd said: Oh that's all that happened? I saw it mentioned once I think on Reddit as literally "Thom's" That changes it for me. Screw it. I'm doubting now. I remember it that it was someone else his tracklist that he quoted, but I might be wrong. I looked it up and this was his post. When I read it now it might be his own tracklist he made somewhere in a notebook of his. At 16:18 on October 20, 2008, Thom Yorke said… below comments a long time ago. a lot of water under the bridge. out of the gutters. i found this> there there the gloaming sail to the moon sit down. stand up go to sleep whereiendandubegin scatterbrain 2+2=5 myxomatosis a wolf at the door hmm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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